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Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat

Re: Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2017, 03:00:42 AM »
Or perhaps instead, an emphasis on music, rather than technology...brother.  ;D

Well, synthesizers have both an artistic and technical sides of their use. That is why I like his statement so much. It deserves to be framed and put up on a wall. Truly insightful. And no, I am not ironic. Its genius!

You're very kind! Feel free to contact my lawyers about use of the quote! (Kidding!)

I have a dear friend who's known me for decades who used to insist that because I knew how to program synths I must certainly be better at math(s, for any stray Brits amongst!) than I was letting on. She was an economics major with a very logical mind and used to help me do my taxes and accounting etc. It took me years to convince her that because I "understood" how to turn a Cutoff Freq knob up or down, it didn't mean I was secretly running numbers as I worked!

Maybe what I've come to understand in recent years is that I love the Not Knowing as much as the Knowing of stuff and things, at least in the creative realm. In fact, that's what's at the heart of this particular thread in the first place. The Prophet 5 is a creature of mystery to me, to this very day, even though I'm nothing but comfortable with it. There's a certain irony for me in trying to "find" the mystery in the Prophet 6, then. "I know it's in here somewhere!" It's safe enough to say that my fascination with synths leans more to the musical side than the technical, though I'd throw in that  the "mystery" I'm searching for has a spiritual element, whatever that might even mean!

Re: Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2017, 08:26:46 AM »
Very well said! Synthesizers is a musical field with a certain and sometimes strong technical bias. But at the end of the day its all about navigating the parameter space of the synthesizer looking for sounds that will work for current musical goals. Now, each parameter in a synthesizer is a dimension in a usually fairly large vector space that describes the current sound produced by the synthesizer. So maybe you could try the term "hyperspace artifact" on your mathematical friend next time you talk about synthesizers? ;)

One thing is the technical side of things. Another is how a specific synthesizer responds to specific points in alluded to hyperspace. This is where the craft of designing synthesizers really shows. Some machines just got it instantly whereas others need more work to obtain usable sounds. Its certainly an interesting and challenging field!
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Re: Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2017, 10:19:57 AM »
Here's a simple question... if I set one of the Osc Shape knobs on the P6 to the mid-point between, say, triangle and saw, how much is this like selecting both of those waveforms on Osc B on a P5?

My guess is not so similar, as it seems on the P5 that each waveform is added to the previous, while on the P6, obviously the volume of one is lessened as the knob is turned towards the other.



 

Re: Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2018, 07:11:01 AM »
A bit of follow-up on the track called "Magazine Street" that I posted here previously as a sort of Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 demonstration battle. While I'm always convinced the P5 simply has that magical Thing going for it, it's to my own surprise that the ongoing recording of this song is moving into P6-dominant territory. There's a new P6 bass here that I'm pleased with. Very, uh, basic, and solid. The oscs are sync'd, there's no Slop and Unison is set to one voice only - all to keep the bass tone staying in one place. Previous versions have seen the recorded waveform of the bass track looking like a snake digesting several rats at once, if that makes sense!

More amusing, for me anyway, was that for the chordal part on the intro and choruses, I ran the P6 out in mono into an Ibanez stereo chorus stompbox. I like the internal P6 chorus, it's fine enough, but hearing the synth through proper analog chorus was a bit biblical to my ears.

The only other change to the track isn't synth related, but it does add a bit of woof to the track. I took a loop of the Michael Urbano's "real" drums from the album version of the song (jangly guitars and nary a synth in sight) to augment the TR-707 track.

The song is sounding quite tight by now, with maybe a P6 to P5 ratio of exactly 60/40, give or take/more or less!

https://soundcloud.com/anton-barbeau/magazine-street-synth-p6-p5-all-in-20-urbano-loop/s-viVqu

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Re: Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2018, 09:37:09 PM »
I never had the chance to work on the P-6 except of a couple of times in GC.  I owned  P-5 for years in the 1980's.  It was an early Rev 3.0 with 40 memories.  I sold it for a DX-7 (sigh :-[ ).

Many years later, I picked up a P-08 and fell in love again with analog synthesis.  The basic tone was somewhat different, but I preferred the P-08 over my memory of the P-5.  Your experiments confirm the closeness of the modern synth sound to the P-5.

Your type of comparison is probably the most fair as a synth is usually not played solo, but with other instruments and sounds.  It was really hard for me to see any significant difference between the P-6 and P-5.

Thank you for putting on this comparison demonstration.  It is very helpful to hear the different instruments in context.
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Re: Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2018, 06:56:11 AM »
I never had the chance to work on the P-6 except of a couple of times in GC.  I owned  P-5 for years in the 1980's.  It was an early Rev 3.0 with 40 memories.  I sold it for a DX-7 (sigh :-[ ).

Many years later, I picked up a P-08 and fell in love again with analog synthesis.  The basic tone was somewhat different, but I preferred the P-08 over my memory of the P-5.  Your experiments confirm the closeness of the modern synth sound to the P-5.

Your type of comparison is probably the most fair as a synth is usually not played solo, but with other instruments and sounds.  It was really hard for me to see any significant difference between the P-6 and P-5.

Thank you for putting on this comparison demonstration.  It is very helpful to hear the different instruments in context.


Glad if it's helpful. I've been obsessed with the P5 since I was a teen and still am. The P6 is clearly built for people like me - it's almost/sorta/kinda a P5, kinda/sorta/almost. But more! But not quite! Etc. I'm lucky to have both synths in my life now. The P5 is still more instantly pleasing to my ear, both more beautiful in a "classic" way and also more mysterious, but the P6 is gorgeous in its own right, and I'm always learning more about its subtleties.

I'm always a little surprised when I find myself pulled more towards the P6. Some of it has to do with tech issues - the P5 has a few glitches to work around, but also I need to sort out a better USB connection. At the moment it's generating a fair amount of noise/whine. But matching up tracks, or moving in one direction with one synth and another direction with the other, is always enjoyable.

In Berlin, I've also got my Pro One and my Evolver and I often play similar SC/DSIpatch-matching games. I recognize from this forum and others that there's always room for real-world examples, and I'm happy if my contribution catches anyone's ear.

Re: Ant's Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 rant treat
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2018, 08:36:47 AM »
Greets all. I'll stick this in Your Music as well, I reckon.

I posted this around Christmas in semi-mixed state. This, I think, is a final mix. The main concern I've had with this track is keeping the bass reigned in. I re-recorded a new bass on the P6, using only a single osc and in Unison using only one voice. The result is a much more solid, stable tone. Only question - is it too loud in the mix?

This song is almost all Prophet 6 and Prophet 5, though leaning more in the P6 direction by now. There's a hint of Doepfer DE on the bridges, MIDI-matching the bass, but an octave up. Looking at my PT session files, seems I tried out Evolver for the bass, plus Korg MS-20, but those aren't in this final mix.

I didn't mean for this track to turn out so twee, by the way! The album version - recorded in a more traditional manner with 12-string guitars, electric bass and drums etc - has a pretty bright and open chord structure. The verses and chorus both bounce simply between G and D. The all-synth version here moves between G and F instead. On the piano, it sounded a bit darker, especially the little riff that rolls over the changes. Maybe it's my choice of synth tones, but this is far lighter than I'd intended it to be. Ah well! That's always been an aspect of my music - I try to go on one direction, but it's never quite up to me. Hope you enjoy the song one way or other!

https://soundcloud.com/anton-barbeau/down-around-the-radio-syntho-rough-mix/s-M89y4