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How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community

Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2018, 03:20:13 PM »
This topic caught my eye as I bought an Arturia MatrixBrute a couple weeks ago.  I knew Arturia was headquartered in France and was quite surprised to receive a box with, "Made in China" stamped on it.  I guess I just thought it would be made in France  ::)

Check this out, I bought my MatrixBrute through Amazon.com and a 3rd party seller named, "Everything Music" on July 28.  I paid $1,999 and they threw in a 1 year extended free warranty.  There were several Amazon retailers selling the MxB for $1,999, and a few at $2,299.  I just took a look on Amazon and not a single Amazon retailer is selling the synth now for anything less than $2,299!  Everything Music is now selling the MatrixBrute for $2,299 with no extended warranty for a price increase of 15%.  I guess the old saying is true...timing is everything  ;)

So what do people think, is it correct to surmise that this price increase and elimination of the extended warranty is an effect of the recently announced China tariff?
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2018, 04:59:34 PM »
This topic caught my eye as I bought an Arturia MatrixBrute a couple weeks ago.  I knew Arturia was headquartered in France and was quite surprised to receive a box with, "Made in China" stamped on it.  I guess I just thought it would be made in France  ::)

Check this out, I bought my MatrixBrute through Amazon.com and a 3rd party seller named, "Everything Music" on July 28.  I paid $1,999 and they threw in a 1 year extended free warranty.  There were several Amazon retailers selling the MxB for $1,999, and a few at $2,299.  I just took a look on Amazon and not a single Amazon retailer is selling the synth now for anything less than $2,299!  Everything Music is now selling the MatrixBrute for $2,299 with no extended warranty for a price increase of 15%.  I guess the old saying is true...timing is everything  ;)

So what do people think, is it correct to surmise that this price increase and elimination of the extended warranty is an effect of the recently announced China tariff?
Could be lots of things... including good old fashioned supply and demand.  If Everything Music had 10 of them, they’re likely to offer discounts to move them. If they have 1 or 2, less incentive to make a deal... I’ve sold synths on Reverb for more than I paid for them... same reason... there was minimal supply when I listed mine, so I commanded my price.

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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2018, 06:21:09 PM »
This topic caught my eye as I bought an Arturia MatrixBrute a couple weeks ago.  I knew Arturia was headquartered in France and was quite surprised to receive a box with, "Made in China" stamped on it.  I guess I just thought it would be made in France  ::)

Check this out, I bought my MatrixBrute through Amazon.com and a 3rd party seller named, "Everything Music" on July 28.  I paid $1,999 and they threw in a 1 year extended free warranty.  There were several Amazon retailers selling the MxB for $1,999, and a few at $2,299.  I just took a look on Amazon and not a single Amazon retailer is selling the synth now for anything less than $2,299!  Everything Music is now selling the MatrixBrute for $2,299 with no extended warranty for a price increase of 15%.  I guess the old saying is true...timing is everything  ;)

So what do people think, is it correct to surmise that this price increase and elimination of the extended warranty is an effect of the recently announced China tariff?
Could be lots of things... including good old fashioned supply and demand.  If Everything Music had 10 of them, they’re likely to offer discounts to move them. If they have 1 or 2, less incentive to make a deal... I’ve sold synths on Reverb for more than I paid for them... same reason... there was minimal supply when I listed mine, so I commanded my price.

True, but I don't think that's it in this case.  When I bought mine they had 2 in stock...now they show 2 in stock again.  The thing is it wasn't just the retailer I bought from that raised the price 15%, it was every Amazon retailer that carries them (and there were at least 4 others at the $1,999 mark 2 weeks ago).  Why does everyone move up 15% at the same time?  Seems like an odd coincidence especially in light of the China tariff announcement.  OTOH, Sweetwater had them at $2,299 a couple weeks ago and remained at that price, so who knows  ;)
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2018, 06:30:07 PM »
This topic caught my eye as I bought an Arturia MatrixBrute a couple weeks ago.  I knew Arturia was headquartered in France and was quite surprised to receive a box with, "Made in China" stamped on it.  I guess I just thought it would be made in France  ::)

Check this out, I bought my MatrixBrute through Amazon.com and a 3rd party seller named, "Everything Music" on July 28.  I paid $1,999 and they threw in a 1 year extended free warranty.  There were several Amazon retailers selling the MxB for $1,999, and a few at $2,299.  I just took a look on Amazon and not a single Amazon retailer is selling the synth now for anything less than $2,299!  Everything Music is now selling the MatrixBrute for $2,299 with no extended warranty for a price increase of 15%.  I guess the old saying is true...timing is everything  ;)

So what do people think, is it correct to surmise that this price increase and elimination of the extended warranty is an effect of the recently announced China tariff?
Could be lots of things... including good old fashioned supply and demand.  If Everything Music had 10 of them, they’re likely to offer discounts to move them. If they have 1 or 2, less incentive to make a deal... I’ve sold synths on Reverb for more than I paid for them... same reason... there was minimal supply when I listed mine, so I commanded my price.

True, but I don't think that's it in this case.  When I bought mine they had 2 in stock...now they show 2 in stock again.  The thing is it wasn't just the retailer I bought from that raised the price 15%, it was every Amazon retailer that carries them (and there were at least 4 others at the $1,999 mark 2 weeks ago).  Why does everyone move up 15% at the same time?  Seems like an odd coincidence especially in light of the China tariff announcement.  OTOH, Sweetwater had them at $2,299 a couple weeks ago and remained at that price, so who knows  ;)
I hear you... another possibility is Arturia enforcing their Minimum Advertised Price.  Those prices are contractual. Retailers who violate that contract risk losing their ability to sell as official Arturia retailers (which is important to the buyer for things like warranty).

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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2018, 06:42:30 PM »
^ good point...that could certainly be the case.  Either way I pulled the trigger just in time  ;D
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2018, 08:16:44 PM »
I believe the MatrixBrute was actually slated to have a price increase before the Tariffs were even announced.
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2018, 06:17:59 PM »
I believe the MatrixBrute was actually slated to have a price increase before the Tariffs were even announced.

Interesting.  Well, it looks like almost everyone's at the $2,299 mark now, though I found a couple odd ducks still at $1,999  ;)
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2018, 09:14:14 AM »
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/03/arturia-matrixbrute-price-raise-july-1st-2018.html

"Due to increasing cost of the internal analog components, manufacturing, and shipping, Arturia have made the decision to raise the price of the MatrixBrute, which was announced at NAMM 2016, and has gone on to win multiple media, consumer, and pro audio awards since its release."

This was announced way back in March before the Chinese tariff increase became an issue so I guess they're not related after all  ;)
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2018, 11:00:55 AM »
Even still...the difference in price isn’t that bad.
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2018, 11:54:04 AM »
"Due to increasing cost of the internal analog components, manufacturing, and shipping, Arturia have made the decision to raise the price of the MatrixBrute....


I read that as well.  I figure you could translate that to mean anything — including, but limited to, the following:
— “Shipping rates around the world are on the rise and we’re passing the costs along.”
— “The first batch of components weren’t so great, so we sourced better quality, albeit more expensive, components for subsequent runs.”
— “These things are more popular than we thought, so we figured we’d get a little extra out of them.”
— “Last week, we fired guy who decided to price this thing $1500 under the Moog Model D.”


 :)
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Re: How the 25% tariff on Chinese goods might affect the synth community
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2018, 03:09:12 PM »
— “These things are more popular than we thought, so we figured we’d get a little extra out of them.”

That was the first one that popped into my mind!  When I was researching my purchase I looked at 20+ customer reviews and all but one were 5 stars (the other was a 4).  They must be pretty confident in continued sales otherwise they wouldn't cross the $2K psychological pricing barrier moving minimum retail from $1,999 to $2,299  ;)
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