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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #120 on: August 03, 2017, 08:11:43 AM »
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

Wytch Crypt,

I took a quick peek, but will listen to the whole thing at home later.   Doing the whole Planets is an undertaking for sure, and I have to say, the little I have heard so far you really captured that old Tomita sound, which is my absolute favorite.
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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #121 on: August 03, 2017, 09:59:48 AM »
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

Wytch Crypt,

I took a quick peek, but will listen to the whole thing at home later.   Doing the whole Planets is an undertaking for sure, and I have to say, the little I have heard so far you really captured that old Tomita sound, which is my absolute favorite.

Thank you, I hope you like it  ;)

I love Tomita!  His early albums are definitely the foundation that I build my classical music/synth approach on. 

Back in '75 I got into ELP and absolutely went nuts over their adaptation of Pictures at an Exhibition.  Then a few years later I heard Tomita's version and was completely blown away!  I remember thinking, "if I ever get one of these magical synthesizer things, that's what I want to do with it!" 

It's funny, Wendy Carlos' Switched on Bach may have single-handedly created the synth/classical music genre and jump started the modern synth revolution which is still going strong 50+ years later...but...for me it was Tomita that really took it up to another level.  Instead of using the synth to emulate orchestral instruments, his approach of exploring the technical limits of synth sound design and then integrating those sounds in unique ways in classical arrangements was what made him so special and influential - at least to me anyway  ;)

I did my own take on Pictures at an Exhibition 3 or 4 years ago on a Korg Radias and it turned out well, but I think our beloved P12 is even better suited to these types of projects  :) 

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #122 on: August 03, 2017, 04:52:58 PM »
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

A very impressive array of sounds and contrasts of timbres.  And yes, it definitely hints of Tomita, rather than Carlos.  Well done, WC.

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #123 on: August 04, 2017, 08:43:20 AM »
Hi all,

a couple months ago I posted my P12 only recording of Holst's "The Planets" on SoundCloud and got lot's of great comments and listens.  Well, before I recorded "The Planets", I had recorded a P12 only arrangement of Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" and released it on a Morpheus album I called, "Vivacity".  I had just enough minutes left on my SoundCloud account to exactly fill it up with that album...so...I figured, why not?  I just uploaded it to SoundCloud at:

https://soundcloud.com/dennis-m-366105599/sets/vivacity-vivaldis-four-seasons-on-a-dsi-prophet-12-synthesizer

Like "The Planets", the whole album is exclusively P12 (with a little reverb added with my old Roland VS-1880 deck) with all of the sounds recorded in mono/unison mode.  I'd say I created about 80% of the patches myself.  If you heard my version of "The Planets", this one is coming from the same place...a love of 70's analog synths and my attempts to get the P12 to cover that ground. 

Hope you like it!

Dennis

A very impressive array of sounds and contrasts of timbres.  And yes, it definitely hints of Tomita, rather than Carlos.  Well done, WC.

Thanks Sacred Synthesis!

  coming from someone who digs so deep into the sound creation and architecture of our beloved P12, I consider your comment high praise indeed  ;)

Dennis

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2017, 10:33:33 PM »

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #125 on: August 05, 2017, 12:14:11 AM »
demo except drums comes from maschine :)

bit of reverb, other than that it's all from p12. I was playing around today with the drum beat and came up with this.

oh and I got ob-6 recently. I love it as well. it has the bottom end that p12 is missing (I need to learn more about p12. how to program it and all mod possibilities)

https://soundcloud.com/kyumin-shim/p12-demo-1

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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #126 on: August 11, 2017, 09:46:07 PM »
Soft Strings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtlfEopBkl4

I really like it.  The patches that make the timbre do not resemble the P-08 but can be both dark and soaring in the right places.  I could listen to it all day.    :)   I really like that part of your new palette!!
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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #127 on: August 11, 2017, 10:03:47 PM »
Soft Strings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtlfEopBkl4

I really like it.  The patches that make the timbre do not resemble the P-08 but can be both dark and soaring in the right places.  I could listen to it all day.    :)   I really like that part of your new palette!!

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OK, I listened your Improvisation LXXX - Amazing.  The sound is so spectacular!  I hope you continue to move this direction
Jim Thorburn .  Toys-  Dave Smith: Prophet 08;
Pro 2; Prophet 12; EastWest Orchestral soft synths; Yamaha S90; Yamaha DX-7; KARP Odyssey; Ensoniq ESQ-1.  All run through a Sonar DAW with a Tascam DM-24 board.

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #128 on: August 12, 2017, 01:58:50 PM »
Thanks, JDT.  Hmmm...I'm not sure what to say about this.  My YouTube channel has a number of improvisations on the Prophet '08 that are similar in timbre and mode to the above piece (for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ILMTuuVIg&index=24&list=PL-CSFEgC2tTydFcvrBITryRPZHg4tUde5).  If there seems to be some inferiority in the P'08 piece, it's due to the poor recording technique I was then using. 

Although the Prophet 12 loaner is new (and temporary), the improvisation itself represents nothing whatsoever that is new for me.  In fact, my whole effort with the P12 has been simply to see how well it could reproduce Prophet '08 and Poly Evolver Keyboard material.  I've not been looking for its strengths, but its weaknesses, so as to understand where it could fit in my set up as a whole.  My point here is that the P'08 could easily do everything I've recently posted with the P12, and, in my opinion, a tad better.  What I learned is that my impression of the P12, based exclusively on the many YouTube and Soundcloud demonstrations, was way off.  This is a beautiful-sounding instrument that is well-equipped and ready and waiting to make warm lush music.  I would love to buy one, but, with the Rev2 on the horizon, I can't see how I could afford one in the near future.
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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #129 on: August 15, 2017, 03:52:00 PM »

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #130 on: August 15, 2017, 06:20:26 PM »
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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #131 on: August 15, 2017, 07:14:07 PM »
Thanks, David.  You betcha, I'm hooked!  I know a masterpiece when I meet one.

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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #132 on: August 15, 2017, 11:25:06 PM »
Thanks, JDT.  Hmmm...I'm not sure what to say about this.  My YouTube channel has a number of improvisations on the Prophet '08 that are similar in timbre and mode to the above piece. 

Ahh, the timbres were similar - but different.  That's what I liked.  You're starting a different direction.  You're new ethereal pad is really good to.  As David Dever said - you're hooked! 

What I found (though it now has been months since I have been able to spend time in the music room), is that the P-12 sends me different directions from the P-08.  I like what I get out of the P-08, but the there's a place the P-12 takes me that I really like.  The more I experiment with it, the better I like it.  The changes can be subtle, but in some cases not so subtle.   For example, the P-12 string sounds have a tonal difference that makes me compose differently.  I am listening to your P-12 Soft Strings right now, and can hear the difference between your P-8 compositions and this one.   It still has the signature Sacred Synthesis style, but it is different.  Maybe its just a progression of your art, or it may be the synth.  I think it's a combo of both.
Jim Thorburn .  Toys-  Dave Smith: Prophet 08;
Pro 2; Prophet 12; EastWest Orchestral soft synths; Yamaha S90; Yamaha DX-7; KARP Odyssey; Ensoniq ESQ-1.  All run through a Sonar DAW with a Tascam DM-24 board.

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #133 on: August 15, 2017, 11:39:20 PM »
Well I sure won't argue with you.  I agree, the P'08 and the P12 are very different instruments, and they lead you in different directions.  I guess my main interest was in trying to figure out the P12, where it belongs and what it might replace.  I thought it might be a good update for my good old Poly Evolvers, but no.  Instead, I found it to be more similar to the P'08, even though light years beyond it in sophistication.  The three instruments are unique and complimentary.  No one synthesizer can replace the others and they actually make a superb ensemble.

Anyways, I learned a ton in my too short period with the P12 - about the instrument itself, but about other synthesizer and music-related things as well.  It was an extremely fruitful month, but it's just about over now.  Next I'll decide if I can part with a PEK to finance my own Prophet 12.
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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #134 on: August 16, 2017, 10:56:47 PM »
Next I'll decide if I can part with a PEK to finance my own Prophet 12.

I never thought I would see those words from you!   ;)  It is definitely a great instrument, and I have barely touched the surface in programming it.

As far as price goes, have you considered the module?  That's what I got.  It is really easy to program.  It can be a lot cheaper.   I got mine from Pro Audio Star for $1299 new on their Black Friday sale.  They may repeat it again this year.   Also, there is a guy locally in Denver which has a P-12M on Craigslist for $1300.  It's been there for awhile.  So, I guess he is flexible.  I'd be glad to look at it for you if you are interested.
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Pro 2; Prophet 12; EastWest Orchestral soft synths; Yamaha S90; Yamaha DX-7; KARP Odyssey; Ensoniq ESQ-1.  All run through a Sonar DAW with a Tascam DM-24 board.

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #135 on: August 17, 2017, 10:02:54 AM »
I would probably do the usual keyboard-module pairing for maximum musical power and depth.  Remember, I don't get all the gadgets.  What synthesists normally spend on sequencers, drum machines, and a dozen other I-don't-know-whats, I put exclusively into the instruments.  So, there's no extravagance here - just a different use of resources.
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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #136 on: August 18, 2017, 01:23:48 AM »
another track ;)

https://soundcloud.com/kyumin-shim/hero-remix

bass from sub37, intro&outro synth by ob-6, and all p12 keyboard.

gotta learn how to mix and program drum better but it's fun to just make some tracks.


Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #137 on: August 18, 2017, 10:38:21 AM »
I would probably do the usual keyboard-module pairing for maximum musical power and depth.

I've seen a couple people mention this but don't really understand what this is about.  Are you saying having a P12 kybd & P12 module with identical patches doubling the parts?  Can you explain what the advantage of that is and how you would use it?  Could be I'm not seeing it because I normally use my P12 in unison mode for multi-track recording where I control the stereo field rather than live applications and never run out of voices  ;) 

Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #138 on: August 18, 2017, 10:53:52 AM »
Pairing the keyboard and the module is for both types of uses - for dumping the keyboard's identical programs onto the module, as well as for using different programs on each unit.  In the first case, the point is to very easily (without programming) achieve a stereo depth by panning the two identical sounds at the mixer.  This is essential for creating rich warm strings, brass, organ, pads, as well as monophonic patches.  In the second case, it's for twelve-voice bi-timbrality or six-voice quad-timbrality.  In both cases, it also allows for processing the layers differently.  Another technique is to slightly alter some aspect of one program's settings.  For example, setting the filter of one layer differently will create a stereo filter.  The first sound in this demonstration is an example of that and it does not use delay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_HhpoZW838).

Folks have criticized this method as "overkill".  Not at all.  Personally, I don't like the sound of a mono signal.  To my ears it sounds dull, lifeless, and very unnatural.  My sonic standard with synthesizer is not the synthesizer, but the pipe organ, orchestra, and other acoustic ensembles or instruments.  My goal is always to de-accentuate its electronic character and to make it sound more acoustic.  So, with few exceptions, I maintain a stereo depth in my music and sounds.  Whether or not it's obvious on YouTube is a different question, but the original recordings sound gorgeous for their deep stereo.
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Re: Prophet 12 Music
« Reply #139 on: August 18, 2017, 11:00:59 AM »
For the fun, a clip of the song using a lot the Prophet 12 and my bandmate definitely looking like a psycho and me with plenty of sunglasses :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHjY6SNGjJ0

Here are the places where I used the P12
0:00 the lead
0:10 the chords
0:30 the sync sound + the electronic bassline
1:10 the weird FM sound
3.45 the final sound