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OB6 vs Prophet 6

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2017, 02:34:32 PM »
I simply cannot decide between the two, and the amount of time I've spent going back and forth, reading reviews and watching demos is pretty silly now!  :o

I've played them both briefly in stores, but never side by side. Don't think I'll get that opportunity soon.

I don't know what the point of this post is. Wish I could have them both!

You can get both filters in the Pro-2!

Haha, thanks, but I'm after a poly (that will hopefully be a 'forever' keeper) :-)

I'll be selling a DX7, D50 and Moog Little Phatty to raise funds - it will go with my Juno 60 and Yamaha Motif 6 Classic....

 ;D

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2017, 02:51:00 AM »
Did you ultimately decide on getting an Ob6?

I have both. The P6 is great for soundtracks (all by itself sometimes). The Ob6 is great as an element in music. I have to give up the P6 due to tech issues (w/in return period) and considering replacing with same (4th try) or getting the recently announced Rev2.

I think the Ob6 would be all i need if the filter pole count was switchable and there was a triangle on first oscillator. The SEM filter is very limiting and always has some higher frequency "hair" coming out.

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2017, 09:00:25 AM »
Echoing what TacticalHamster said, I think Prophets are more for sound design or soundtrack work and Oberheims are more for performance and band situations. I say this because looking at the gear lists for synth based soundtracks, there are loads of Prophet based soundtracks and only a few Oberheim ones. Even still most soundtracks that have the Oberheim also had a Prophet (5 or 10). I think the only soundtracks that I can think of where an Oberheim was the main synth was Queen's Flash Gordon soundtrack(OBXa and Imperial Bösendorfer Grand Piano with 97 keys instead of 88, having an extra octave on the low range) and Rob Walsh's score for Revenge Of The Ninja.

I've always gravitated towards Prophets personally. It just depends on what you want to do with the synth.

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2017, 05:35:25 PM »
Hi guys,

I still haven't purchased because I'm waiting for my gear to sell, and was also waiting to see if there was a new DSI synth at NAMM that I'm after.

And I still haven't decided - I keep flipping between them. At the moment, I favour the Prophet-6, in about two hours more of YouTube watching, I'll probably switch to the OB-6!

Most of the artists I like and want the sounds of - early 80s British new wave artists - used more of the Prophet-5 kind of sound. Sure there are exceptions, always.

The Oberheim sound, to me, was always a very 'American' sound, and all the demos are backing that up for me.

So, the OB-6 seems to sound more 'vintage' out the box, which is what I want, but my brain is telling me that it's more of an American 80s sound, rather than the British sound I'm after, which I think might be more suited to a Prophet-6.

In all honesty, there's just something about the 'Prophet' name which pulls me, but on all these forums (well maybe not this one!) there seems to be a huge majority of people who prefer the OB-6.

Yes, I realise it's the person not the gear and would be happy with either, but it's such a big investment for me, I've researched it to death!

Anyway, I'm enjoying reading everyone's views on this thread/forum, both are fantastic synths!

Cheers,

Ed
« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 05:54:05 PM by EdBoogie »

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2017, 05:47:02 PM »
Hi guys,

I still haven't purchased because I'm waiting for my gear to sell, and was also waiting to see if there was a new DSI synth at NAMM that I'm after.

And I still haven't decided - I keep flipping between them. At the moment, I favour the Prophet-6, in about two hours more of YouTube watching, I'll probably switch to the OB-6!

Most of the artists I like and want the sounds of - early 80s British new wave artists - used more of the Prophet-5 kind of sound. Sure there are exceptions, always.

The Oberheim sound, to me, was always a very 'American' sound, and all the demos are backing that up for me.

So, the OB-6 seems to sound more 'vintage' our the box, which is what I want, but my brain is telling me that it's more of an American 80s sound, rather than the British sound I'm after, which I think might be more suited to a Prophet-6.

In all honesty, there's just something about the 'Prophet' name which pulls me, but on all these forums (well maybe not this one!) there seems to be a huge majority of people who prefer the OB-6.

Yes, I realise it's the person not the gear and would be happy with either, but it's such a big investment for me, I've researched it to death!

Anyway, I'm enjoying reading everyone's views on this thread/forum, both are fantastic synths!

Cheers,

Ed

What I noticed is a Prophet has a wider sonic pallet. You can really shape the sound to sound like anything but the OB-6 will always have that Oberheim Buzzsaw sound. Listen to even a basic saw wave and you can her the OB-6 has more grit and fizz. The Prophet is more lush but can get fuzzy as well with tweaking.

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2017, 06:07:26 PM »
Hi guys,

I still haven't purchased because I'm waiting for my gear to sell, and was also waiting to see if there was a new DSI synth at NAMM that I'm after.

And I still haven't decided - I keep flipping between them. At the moment, I favour the Prophet-6, in about two hours more of YouTube watching, I'll probably switch to the OB-6!

Most of the artists I like and want the sounds of - early 80s British new wave artists - used more of the Prophet-5 kind of sound. Sure there are exceptions, always.

The Oberheim sound, to me, was always a very 'American' sound, and all the demos are backing that up for me.

So, the OB-6 seems to sound more 'vintage' out the box, which is what I want, but my brain is telling me that it's more of an American 80s sound, rather than the British sound I'm after, which I think might be more suited to a Prophet-6.

In all honesty, there's just something about the 'Prophet' name which pulls me, but on all these forums (well maybe not this one!) there seems to be a huge majority of people who prefer the OB-6.

Yes, I realise it's the person not the gear and would be happy with either, but it's such a big investment for me, I've researched it to death!

Anyway, I'm enjoying reading everyone's views on this thread/forum, both are fantastic synths!

Cheers,

Ed

I have both in case you have some questions.

I wasn't a big fan of fake brass sounds notorious to oberheim. But, I bought the OB6 anyway to see if it could fit in with the P6 and other synths.

The demos online really only touch the vintage Oberheim sounds. There arent a lot of examples showing what else can be done with it, which is massive.

I am a Prophet guy. I have always been (soundtracks, new wave, goth music, etc). The cold and dark sound of the prophet has always been alluring.

With that said:

I have had three(3) faulty P6s in a row. I'm returning the last one and not replacing it again. It's infuriating for the money to have something so dodgy. I don't care if someone replies and says they've had zero issues, I have...3 times. So has a local studio (returning their second). A support rep at a well respected pro audio retailer (that I use) said they've had more returns with the P6s lately, as well, as I tried to see what we could do (last case being a faulty keybed).

It is what it is. Maybe they are already on a new run of great P6s. I don't know. These (at least mine) were serials around 4,000 to 4,200. I considered looking for an older serial, but with Rev2 coming out, I'll just wait.

The OB6, however, had an extremely sturdy build quality (knobs are beefy and don't wobble at all, thicker top coat). Sonically they aren't that similar when you consider the Ob's amazing SEM filter and extra mod possibilities.

Learning how to program the OB out of the 80s was a challenge, but it serves a nice palette of sounds. Keep in mind demos are usually overdriving the filter for harmonics. Keeping the OSC at 1/2 will be similar to output volume of P6. Once you pull back the OSC gain, you are in a close Prophet territory.

I am not a fan of the square sub octave (it's only usable in the top half range of octaves), but it's not always needed. The P6 triangle sub is great, and can be used throughout most ranges. Square subs are very limiting to brassy/noisy tones, but they work perfect in those tones needed.

I'm holding out on my P6 needs for the Rev2. I'd recommend listening to samples on SoundCloud. It's cheaper and only real difference (as a negative) is digitally controlled oscillators vs voltage controlled of P6. Add some slop and you'll be in P6 territory.

You don't have to take my advice, but I recommend considering it from a P5/P6 lover and user over the years (P5).
« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 06:33:55 PM by TacticalHamster »

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2017, 06:21:12 PM »
What I noticed is a Prophet has a wider sonic pallet. You can really shape the sound to sound like anything but the OB-6 will always have that Oberheim Buzzsaw sound. Listen to even a basic saw wave and you can her the OB-6 has more grit and fizz. The Prophet is more lush but can get fuzzy as well with tweaking.

That seems to be my feeling too!

In all honesty, after seeing the REV2 with a 5-octave keyboard, the 4-octave on the OB-6 and Pro-6 really winds me up.... but that is a pointless digression, I suppose  :-X

Cheers,

Ed

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2017, 07:06:15 PM »
Hi guys,

I still haven't purchased because I'm waiting for my gear to sell, and was also waiting to see if there was a new DSI synth at NAMM that I'm after.

And I still haven't decided - I keep flipping between them. At the moment, I favour the Prophet-6, in about two hours more of YouTube watching, I'll probably switch to the OB-6!

Most of the artists I like and want the sounds of - early 80s British new wave artists - used more of the Prophet-5 kind of sound. Sure there are exceptions, always.

The Oberheim sound, to me, was always a very 'American' sound, and all the demos are backing that up for me.

So, the OB-6 seems to sound more 'vintage' out the box, which is what I want, but my brain is telling me that it's more of an American 80s sound, rather than the British sound I'm after, which I think might be more suited to a Prophet-6.

In all honesty, there's just something about the 'Prophet' name which pulls me, but on all these forums (well maybe not this one!) there seems to be a huge majority of people who prefer the OB-6.

Yes, I realise it's the person not the gear and would be happy with either, but it's such a big investment for me, I've researched it to death!

Anyway, I'm enjoying reading everyone's views on this thread/forum, both are fantastic synths!

Cheers,

Ed

I have both in case you have some questions.

I wasn't a big fan of fake brass sounds notorious to oberheim. But, I bought the OB6 anyway to see if it could fit in with the P6 and other synths.

The demos online really only touch the vintage Oberheim sounds. There arent a lot of examples showing what else can be done with it, which is massive.

I am a Prophet guy. I have always been (soundtracks, new wave, goth music, etc). The cold and dark sound of the prophet has always been alluring.

With that said:

I have had three(3) faulty P6s in a row. I'm returning the last one and not replacing it again. It's infuriating for the money to have something so dodgy. I don't care if someone replies and says they've had zero issues, I have...3 times. So has a local studio (returning their second). A support rep at a well respected pro audio retailer (that I use) said they've had more returns with the P6s lately, as well, as I tried to see what we could do (last case being a faulty keybed).

It is what it is. Maybe they are already on a new run of great P6s. I don't know. These (at least mine) were serials around 4,000 to 4,200. I considered looking for an older serial, but with Rev2 coming out, I'll just wait.

The OB6, however, had an extremely sturdy build quality (knobs are beefy and don't wobble at all, thicker top coat). Sonically they aren't that similar when you consider the Ob's amazing SEM filter and extra mod possibilities.

Learning how to program the OB out of the 80s was a challenge, but it serves a nice palette of sounds. Keep in mind demos are usually overdriving the filter for harmonics. Keeping the OSC at 1/2 will be similar to output volume of P6. Once you pull back the OSC gain, you are in a close Prophet territory.

I am not a fan of the square sub octave (it's only usable in the top half range of octaves), but it's not always needed. The P6 triangle sub is great, and can be used throughout most ranges. Square subs are very limiting to brassy/noisy tones, but they work perfect in those tones needed.

I'm holding out on my P6 needs for the Rev2. I'd recommend listening to samples on SoundCloud. It's cheaper and only real difference (as a negative) is digitally controlled oscillators vs voltage controlled of P6. Add some slop and you'll be in P6 territory.

You don't have to take my advice, but I recommend considering it from a P5/P6 lover and user over the years (P5).

Thanks so much for this. Still processing it all. Will reply soon, very interesting stuff!

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2017, 09:52:25 PM »
Skip YouTube unless you want to see functionally how the units operate. Go to SoundCloud for really nicely designed sounds for both. I quickly curated 2 per each for you:

Prophet 6:
https://soundcloud.com/petermmahr/prophet-6-59

https://soundcloud.com/petermmahr/sequential-prophet-6-sound-demo

OB-6:
https://soundcloud.com/petermmahr/can-the-ob-6-do-classical-oberheim-sounds

https://soundcloud.com/petermmahr/ob-6-pad-000
 (this is the same pad from above. It demonstrates the filter and that the aggressive sound you usually hear on OB6 demos is optional.)

Try to listen to these 4 links in order only, for immediate timbre tone comparison, then work your way to others from there.

You'll find the P6 isn't limited to prophet 5 territory, and also that the OB-6 is a modern approach and can tackle more than Van Halen's "Jump".
« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 10:09:46 PM by TacticalHamster »

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2017, 01:45:09 AM »
I have made a full comparison between both keyboards. This is a "face to face" comparison, mostly demonstrating differences in each category of sound (Lead, Bass, Pad, FX, etc...).

The video is in french, but most of the video let you hear OB6 and P6 and sould be of interest for those who wonder which one they should buy, depending on their musical tastes.

Enjoy !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtoitoPoMcQ
My soundbanks for OB6 & Prophet 6: www.barbandco.com

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2017, 02:59:40 AM »
Merci beaucoup!
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Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2017, 03:20:08 AM »
What I noticed is a Prophet has a wider sonic pallet. You can really shape the sound to sound like anything but the OB-6 will always have that Oberheim Buzzsaw sound. Listen to even a basic saw wave and you can her the OB-6 has more grit and fizz. The Prophet is more lush but can get fuzzy as well with tweaking.

That seems to be my feeling too!

In all honesty, after seeing the REV2 with a 5-octave keyboard, the 4-octave on the OB-6 and Pro-6 really winds me up.... but that is a pointless digression, I suppose  :-X

Cheers,

Ed

Honestly, I think 5-Octaves is needed if it's doing splits and layers which the Rev-2 does. With the OB-6 and P6 being only able to have one patch going at a time, 5 octaves is nice to have but not make or break. If it's that detrimental, that's what the module is for....or 2 P6s or OB6s ;).

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2017, 08:30:41 PM »
I have made a full comparison between both keyboards. This is a "face to face" comparison, mostly demonstrating differences in each category of sound (Lead, Bass, Pad, FX, etc...).

The video is in french, but most of the video let you hear OB6 and P6 and sould be of interest for those who wonder which one they should buy, depending on their musical tastes.

Enjoy !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtoitoPoMcQ

That video is fantastic. I'm probably biased because I can actually understand French (mostly), but I don't think there's a more poignant comparison video out there! Good job :-)

Re: OB6 vs Prophet 6
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2017, 07:17:17 AM »
To those who own both - which one would you say you prefer for a basic square-wave "hollow" type sound from the oscillators? How about PWM, do you prefer it on one over the other?