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It's happened....Behringer....

Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2017, 12:47:18 PM »
Well, that's all they are right now.

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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2017, 12:48:33 PM »
Well, that's all they are right now.
not even.  I can load virtual instruments into my computer.
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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2017, 01:02:20 PM »
not even.  I can load virtual instruments into my computer.

Yeah, B-word just managed to invent a new type of virtual instrument.
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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2017, 01:20:02 PM »
not even.  I can load virtual instruments into my computer.

Yeah, B-word just managed to invent a new type of virtual instrument.
The Un-intentional Virtual Instrument?
The Hypothetical Virtual Instrument?
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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2017, 01:47:56 PM »
How about the non-existent instruments?

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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2017, 02:07:43 PM »
How about the non-existent instruments?
But those aren't virtual, are they?  :)
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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2017, 02:08:19 PM »
The Hypothetical Virtual Instrument?

I was thinking more in terms of Hippotheatrical Instrument.

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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2017, 02:20:59 PM »
How about the non-existent instruments?

Exactly! You see what actually happened was one of the usual suspects trolling the market. Some people want to see affordable versions of old iconic instrument. But you know what? They will most likely not sound as awesome as the old machines and they will not feature modern qualities such as the ability to save/recall sounds. Nor for that matter combine the awesome sound of the classic machines with modern day pitch stability. In other words: its a dream. Move on and look forward is the best advice I can give.
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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2017, 04:15:25 PM »
I'm always looking forward.  I don't own a single used/vintage instrument.  I'm simply indifferent to year of origin.  A good instrument is a good instrument, no matter when it was designed.  I like the Prophet 12, and I also like the ARP 2600 and Odyssey.  I'm not prejudiced for or against either direction, but consider them equal but distinct.  That seems to be the most level-headed approach to what is often a convoluted topic of debate.  For me, there is no debate.  I don't care to appear oh-so-modern, nor am I interested in following the retro folks.  This is one big non-topic for me.  I simply do not care about an instrument's date of making.

Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2017, 09:32:56 AM »

Even if GS is the largest online synth forum, don't view the synth world through its blood-shot eyes.  Perhaps we're approaching the topic of the problems with synth forums in general.  Like social media, they often give a misleading picture of reality, as interpreted through the opinions of a limited number of vocal and often belligerent individuals.  It's better to keep your head down and focus on your own work, rather than daily sift through all of that rubbish and allow it to influence your own thoughts.

So true, social media is really swaying our attitudes and decisions too much compared to relying on first hand observances.  Applying that same concept to my synth hobby,  I found that to be somewhat true.   Last year I had  been doing some scanning on Youtube and reading some manufacturer advertisement stats (good sources IMO) about an instrument. Then I went out and purchased a Deepmind 12 based on that info.  I know "B" not the most popular company to mention here, but I actually did end up being satisfied with the product.  Anyway, my point is...had I relied strictly on synth forums debates, including some found here,  I perhaps would have been scared away from purchasing it.   Oh well, I don't know much about the behind the scenes at the "B" company, but neither do I know much about the executives or ethics that exist behind the scenes at Sony, Chrysler, GMC, Kenmore, and even my bank, whom I (and guessing others do) engage in purchases with based mainly on the products offered.

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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2017, 10:36:49 AM »
So true as well, Soundquest.  It's tragically the case that many people now experience life primarily through a screen and through others.  You can watch hiking videos all day on YouTube, but that's not hiking  There's nothing like the real thing, like hiking the Appalacian Trail for yourself, coming home with a few cuts and bruises, and a head full of wonderful memories as well.  That's real living.

Even in this highly technical field of electronic music, one has to draw a line.  You can spend most of your music time watching videos of other people making music or demonstrating equipment, together with reading the views of other people on forums and expressing your own.  It gradually becomes an end in itself, so that most of your synthesizer activity consists of this passivity.  It's crazy.  I found myself prone to this, and so I've had to gradually wrestle my way off a number of forums.  This is now the only forum I post on or even read, and I've drastically cut back here as well.   

The virtual world is teeming with viewpoints, comments, and rumors.  So much of this is inaccurate or plainly erroneous - as we've just recently been reminded.  And in terms of advice, people often suggest that you do what they would do if they were in your situation.  And that's terrible advice.  I've found that, when making decisions about equipment, I've usually had to go against the tide and do what others thought ridiculous and said I should not do. 

The best solution at decision-time is to withdraw from all the online chatter, carefully think things through, and then make a decision based on your own intelligence.  Spend research time carefully examining the piece of equipment on the company's website.  That's the most valuable research.  But if you seek a lot of advice on the forums in making decisions, remember that there are heaps of bad advice to be found, and often this bad advice is the most loudly expressed of all.

My personal solution has been to spend much less time on forums and YouTube, and more time at the instruments.  If I need information, I go directly to the source - the company or store website.  The time available for music-making should be spent, not obsessively researching equipment and sifting through masses of opinions about it online, but actually making music with the equipment you have.



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Re: It's happened....Behringer....
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2017, 05:46:40 AM »
I'm happy to see Behringer reviving some of the old classics. But I have never been big on Behringer so my question is essentially this:  can anybody here speak to the build / sound quality of recent Behringer products?  specifically synths?


About 15 years ago, I was considering a Behringer mixer, and a sales rep at Sweetwater who I trusted (and still trust) warned me away from them due to build and sound quality. Since then I have had that bias toward Behringer -- I've associated them with lower quality products.  Has this changed?  It is certainly possible. Over the years, a companies QC can change drastically (just look at Ford).


Any opinions from Behringer owners here???  (and thanks)

I've been getting to know my DeepMind 12 for the last five months, and the more time I spend programming it, the more impressed I am with its sound. As some others have written, it does have its own character. In fact, I didn't realize how bright and brassy my Tetra sounded until hearing the DM12. IMO, it has a sound akin to the Roland Juno but perhaps not as pronounced. I really like the filter. It reminds me that I'm working with an instrument that has electricity flowing through it. I will say that most of the patches have way too many FX on them. I usually remove them and then add to taste when I have the sound dialed in.

As for the build quality, I've had no problems to date. The DM12 is hefty considering it's size. In this way it also reminds me of an older instrument (especially with its gray finish). I'm not a keyboard player, but the keyboard and aftertouch have performed just fine for me.

I'm very pleased with the DM12. It appears to be a quality instrument and functions quite well as my master controller. Most of all, it sounds really good . . . to the point where I feel I can now sell my Tetra (I've already departed with a Nord Lead 2X and Roland JU-06 since owning the DM12).



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