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Pioneer Toraiz AS-1

cbx

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2017, 05:11:54 PM »
All I know is it sounds fat and blows away any TB-303 anyday :-)

cbx

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2017, 02:29:37 AM »
Well I said that wrong and can't delete it. It sounds very good. When I first got started with synthesizers everyone wanted a TB-303. I wanted a mini moog. I somehow came across a Sequential Circuits Prophet-10 and Oberheim Matrix 12. Never found a mini moog. TB-303 is fun but it only does one thing: acid. This is a far more versatile instrument and sounds great.

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2017, 12:32:06 PM »
Arrived today - and really quite good!

I still firmly believe that THIS is the modern equivalent of the Pro-One, relative to the Prophet-6. The unit is built very solidly (on Pioneer DJ's behalf, in Malaysia) and sounds the part.

The lack of built-in reverb effects is actually a plus, as it shows off its naked strengths without any sonic sugar-coating.

Hi David,

I have been thinking of getting one and now that the honeymoon is over I'm wondering what do you think of it?

Cheers

Andy


Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2017, 05:49:18 PM »
Arrived today - and really quite good!

I still firmly believe that THIS is the modern equivalent of the Pro-One, relative to the Prophet-6. The unit is built very solidly (on Pioneer DJ's behalf, in Malaysia) and sounds the part.

The lack of built-in reverb effects is actually a plus, as it shows off its naked strengths without any sonic sugar-coating.

Hi David,

I have been thinking of getting one and now that the honeymoon is over I'm wondering what do you think of it?

Cheers

Andy

It feels like a gateway drug to a proper Prophet-6, to be honest :) ; I've got a Prophet-600 that it rides sidecar to, but I'm seriously considering the idea of building a keyboard housing for the AS-1, a la the old Roland SH units of the 70s (parking the module at left).
Dave S: Prophet-600 Gligli, Prophet 2000, Pro-2, AS-1 | Tom O: SEM, Matrix-1000 | Dave R: Emax SE, UltraProteus, Proteus 2000, ESI-32, XL-7 | Ensoniq TS-10 | Modal 002R-8, CraftSynth | Waldorf Pulse 2, Streichfett | Roland Kiwi-106S, Kiwi-3P, Kiwi-8P, MKS-30 | Korg Volca Beats

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2017, 03:04:41 AM »
Yeah I did worry about the progression to a P6.

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2017, 05:03:37 AM »
Yeah I did worry about the progression to a P6.

I went the other way. Owned a P6 for a year or so but eventually couldn't justify keeping such an expensive instrument that I didn't quite bond with.  The majority of my favourite P6 sounds were actually monophonic, much to my surprise, and after a few months without the P6 I found myself missing that sound.  The AS-1 gets me 90% of what I liked about the P6 at a price I can afford and a form factor I can accommodate in my limited studio space.

There are actually things that I prefer about the AS-1 too.  The extra headroom is nice and I love having an OLED screen with patch names and visible parameter values. The slider is great too and makes it easier to dial in subtle LFO modulation, which is something I struggled with on the P6.

Without doubt the P6 is a beautiful instrument but I didn't love it as a poly, far preferring my P'08 with its varied modulation options in that role. If money and space were no object then I would have kept it. As it is, with the AS-1 drafted in to replace it, I don't miss the P6 at all.

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2017, 05:46:03 AM »
Interesting. So is the AS-1 a straight P6 voice or is anything missing?

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2017, 05:53:02 AM »
Interesting. So is the AS-1 a straight P6 voice or is anything missing?

The available effects section is different (no reverbs, etc.) but the rest looks to be a straight-up P6 voice.
Dave S: Prophet-600 Gligli, Prophet 2000, Pro-2, AS-1 | Tom O: SEM, Matrix-1000 | Dave R: Emax SE, UltraProteus, Proteus 2000, ESI-32, XL-7 | Ensoniq TS-10 | Modal 002R-8, CraftSynth | Waldorf Pulse 2, Streichfett | Roland Kiwi-106S, Kiwi-3P, Kiwi-8P, MKS-30 | Korg Volca Beats

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2017, 06:02:32 AM »
Yeah I did worry about the progression to a P6.

I went the other way. Owned a P6 for a year or so but eventually couldn't justify keeping such an expensive instrument that I didn't quite bond with.  The majority of my favourite P6 sounds were actually monophonic, much to my surprise, and after a few months without the P6 I found myself missing that sound.  The AS-1 gets me 90% of what I liked about the P6 at a price I can afford and a form factor I can accommodate in my limited studio space.

There are actually things that I prefer about the AS-1 too.  The extra headroom is nice and I love having an OLED screen with patch names and visible parameter values. The slider is great too and makes it easier to dial in subtle LFO modulation, which is something I struggled with on the P6.

Without doubt the P6 is a beautiful instrument but I didn't love it as a poly, far preferring my P'08 with its varied modulation options in that role. If money and space were no object then I would have kept it. As it is, with the AS-1 drafted in to replace it, I don't miss the P6 at all.

There's something about a VCO-based unison stack that feels right, compared to a DCO-based voice, though it only fits into a mix a certain way–in that respect, the P6 could be considered a more-expensive monosynth!

For many applications, though, you can get away with just one (two-oscillator + sub) voice, which sounds pretty good, even with the reduced number of modulation destinations of the P6-style voice (relative to the P8/Rev2 one).
Dave S: Prophet-600 Gligli, Prophet 2000, Pro-2, AS-1 | Tom O: SEM, Matrix-1000 | Dave R: Emax SE, UltraProteus, Proteus 2000, ESI-32, XL-7 | Ensoniq TS-10 | Modal 002R-8, CraftSynth | Waldorf Pulse 2, Streichfett | Roland Kiwi-106S, Kiwi-3P, Kiwi-8P, MKS-30 | Korg Volca Beats

Re: Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2017, 06:51:14 AM »
Yeah.  I found anything over 2 or 3 unison voices of the P6 just too heavy to fit into my mixes.  I was never entirely sure whether Slop in unison mode was a genuine fixed detune either.

The single P6/AS-1 voice seems plenty weighty enough to hold its own in a mix. The chorus and phaser effects go some way to providing some tonal modulation too. :)