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DSI/SEQUENTIAL => Pro 2 => Topic started by: Pepe on November 15, 2015, 06:52:29 PM

Title: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Pepe on November 15, 2015, 06:52:29 PM
Hi DSI, better easier methods to madness with this fine instrument :)

1. Ability to enter rests (ala prophet 6) in the sequencer with some button. Recording and then muting steps as an option is cool but counterproductive and unmusical for me now, the moment is everything.

2. "Categories" for sounds..pads, basses, sequences, etc especially if we are not getting a soft librarian.

3. Panning individual and all oscillators...the instrument feels closed with space, even when using DC offset to pan-lfo , it doesnt hard pan.

4. Ability to record para-phonically or a quick ability to have different osc playing different parts..now its super cumbersome/convoluted.

i think thats all from me for now , hope others add some cool ideas :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Pepe on November 15, 2015, 06:56:32 PM
5. some sequencer note step randomizers or shifters would be most welcomed. roll the dice plz :)

6. real time recording

Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: PaleSkinnySwede on December 30, 2015, 05:25:13 AM
Loving the Pro 2. But, some suggestions for improvement are as follows.

Regarding the sequencer:

Modulation:

Filter routing:

Delay settings:

Oscillator feature:

Updated Jan 3rd 2016 @ 11:55 CET.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Pepe on December 30, 2015, 07:16:49 AM
---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: extempo on December 30, 2015, 09:52:35 AM
---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it

The potential limiting factor for Linear FM in the Pro 2 would be processor power. We will very likely be looking into linear FM implementation on the Pro 2 in the near future, but we don't have a specific timeframe at this point.

Thanks for your enthusiasm for the Pro 2, everyone! 
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Paul Dither on December 30, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it

The potential limiting factor for Linear FM in the Pro 2 would be processor power. We will very likely be looking into linear FM implementation on the Pro 2 in the near future, but we don't have a specific timeframe at this point.

Thanks for your enthusiasm for the Pro 2, everyone!

Just out of curiosity: What does make the Pro 2's processor power a potential limiting factor when compared to the Prophet 12? The additional sequencer and/or Superwaves?
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Paul Dither on December 30, 2015, 09:54:36 PM
  • Oscillator Waveform as a Modulation Destination.

That would certainly be a killer feature!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: goodweather on January 01, 2016, 07:57:35 AM
Hi,
  just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch
- OSC leds showing which oscillator is used in a patch and acting as OSC ON/OFF toggle. Edit single OSC by holding a led button longer. Multi-edit by holding the needed OSC buttons longer.
- when moving a knob, display the panel value (this is OK) but also the loaded preset value for comparison purposes

Best wishes for 2016 to all of you!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: PaleSkinnySwede on January 01, 2016, 02:58:25 PM
Hi,
  just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch
- OSC leds showing which oscillator is used in a patch and acting as OSC ON/OFF toggle. Edit single OSC by holding a led button longer. Multi-edit by holding the needed OSC buttons longer.

My Pro 2 behave just like that when you switch it on. Goes directly to the last program used. I'm on OS 1.1.0.
But the oscillator behaviour would be great to have. I fully support that. It would be logical since that's how the Sequencer works. The Oscillator buttons could be lit for on, but dimmed, and then blink a little extra when the voice is triggered - just like the LFO's tiny LEDs does :)

--
David
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: PaleSkinnySwede on January 01, 2016, 03:01:33 PM
  • Oscillator Waveform as a Modulation Destination.

That would certainly be a killer feature!

You would then be able to actually create a sort of wave-sequencing as found on the Korg Wavestation. Not really the same, I know, but could still be utterly cool.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on January 01, 2016, 11:44:40 PM
Hi,
  just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch


Before you turn the P2 off press the global button twice then the next time you turn it on it will be on the last patch used.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: goodweather on January 02, 2016, 07:45:13 AM
Hi,
  just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch


Before you turn the P2 off press the global button twice then the next time you turn it on it will be on the last patch used.

Thx! I just did it and it works fine (is this documented somewhere in the manual?)
BUT you need to do this each time before switching off...  :( Therefore, would still be good to have a default behaviour  ;)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on January 02, 2016, 11:13:17 AM
DSI have said it is done this way to extend the life of the non-volatile memory in the P2.

So by default it is not updated.

It is a common issue that users initially have though so who knows if they may change it.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: PaleSkinnySwede on January 02, 2016, 02:31:46 PM
Filter routing:

Delay settings:

When sequencing the delay parameters, it would be great to have a "Send" parameter so I can emphasis certain notes or steps with a wet delay. I can't make it work with the Amount and Feedback since the step after would kill the delay.

I hope I don't sound like a whiner. I really love playing and programming the Pro 2. It might be the most inspiring synth I've bought in 10 years. My wife says our bed is too narrow for me to take the Pro 2 with me when sleeping ;)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on January 02, 2016, 11:52:13 PM
Hi David,

I'm sure you know but just to check you can change the routing to 1+2->filter 1 and 3+4->Filter 2
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: PaleSkinnySwede on January 03, 2016, 02:51:28 AM
Hi David,

I'm sure you know but just to check you can change the routing to 1+2->filter 1 and 3+4->Filter 2

I've tried it, but while working on a program yesterday it would have been a nice feature sending three of the oscillators to Filter 2 while only one oscillator ran through Filter 1. This is probably on the bottom of my feature request list though ;)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: PaleSkinnySwede on January 03, 2016, 03:01:50 AM
I've updated this (http://forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,115.msg1585.html#msg1585) post with more suggestions.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: extempo on January 04, 2016, 10:55:02 PM
---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it

The potential limiting factor for Linear FM in the Pro 2 would be processor power. We will very likely be looking into linear FM implementation on the Pro 2 in the near future, but we don't have a specific timeframe at this point.

Thanks for your enthusiasm for the Pro 2, everyone!

Just out of curiosity: What does make the Pro 2's processor power a potential limiting factor when compared to the Prophet 12? The additional sequencer and/or Superwaves?

Hi Paul. There's a lot going on under the hood in the Pro 2. We won't know for sure until we're next able to look at things more closely.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Prints on January 05, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
One thing I'd really like, that I haven't heard anyone mention, is the implementation of some sort of setting in paraphonic mode that limits the oscillators used to only 3 so the 4th one can be used as a modulation source. I think that this would be amazing, and doesn't sound like it would be too difficult to implement.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: hecka on January 06, 2016, 02:45:05 PM
Potentially simple request that would be real nice: ability to mute sequencer tracks :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: hecka on January 06, 2016, 03:51:52 PM
Oh yes, and I would totally love to be able to send the delay(s), or ideally the option to switch between amount (delay level really, as it currently is) and send.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: goodweather on January 09, 2016, 10:14:41 AM
Could be nice to have 2 or 4 sequencer tracks able to handle notes (at the moment only 1).
Destination would be each oscillator (4 note tracks) or 2 pairs of oscillators (2 note tracks) or 3+1 (2 note tracks).
But honestly I don't know what the possibilities are technically as the Pro2 is monophonic (but also paraphonic  ;))
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: J KAY on January 10, 2016, 06:05:23 AM
Ratcheting on the sequencer would be nice
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: HESpook on January 14, 2016, 01:54:32 AM
I've seen this suggested before somewhere but not in this thread I believe:

- Individual clock divide per track.

Useful when using Pro 2 as a sequencer for external devices and allow tracks to be used as very flexible LFOs.

Another thing I don't think is possible but as of now that would be useful is legato style note ties. I'm not really sure how well I can explain what I mean but it would look somthing like this in terms of MIDI:

Step 1: Note A on.
Step 2: Note B on, then note A off.
Step 3: Note B off, then note C on.
etc...

When entering step 2 Note A is still being held (tie) when note B is struck which will produce a legato glide effect when KEY ASSIGN is set to Last Note (or equivalent if sequencing external gear).
When entering step 3 Note B is turned of before Note C is struck, producing no legato.
I realise that this could be acheived using the slew parameter as well but if I want the glide be the same fo all steps anyway this is easier (or possible in the case of external gear).

Not that important really but useful for acid style leads and the like.

Suggestion 3:

- Oscillator waveform as a sequencer destination.

Obviously the slop parameter would have to be disabled here as it doesn't really make much sense. Useful for percussion sounds.

I should note that I don't have Pro 2 yet (will have one at the end of the month though) so some of these things might already be possible. Couldn't find anything in the manual or any demos showcasing it though.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: JamesT on January 24, 2016, 11:31:38 AM
Here's my short list:

- linear FM a la the Pro 12
- more mod slots (can get rid of the fixed mod slots and just preset them?)
- delay amount (all) destination. Useful if you want to use a mod wheel or slider to crank up delay.  Also like the idea of having some way to preset the delay independently from a patch so you can use it like an fx
- some way to see the name of the patch you're overwriting
- some way to set global parameters for CV so you can use the board like a controller
- linear FM a la the Pro 12 :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: echologist on January 30, 2016, 09:57:14 AM
YES PLEASE on the FM capabilities!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: sofine on February 01, 2016, 05:57:20 AM
Having only had my Pro 2 for a few days now I had many of the same suggestions already in this fantastic thread. Here's a few more that I couldn't see elsewhere:

Record arp to sequencer track
Transpose sequence without a note sounding (DSI acknowledged this is a bug)
Transpose midi tracks that have notes (maybe as an option)
Playlist / chain for sequence tracks
Change patches but keep current sequences in buffer for new patch

I must say that this synth is simply inspiring - all the parts add up to much more than I had hoped for! I hope DSI give it some more loving  ;)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Cires78 on February 01, 2016, 12:03:50 PM
The ability to copy oscillator settings between...erm...oscillators.  :D

I know I can select all the oscs to edit at once, but say I come up with a sound using osc1 and I want a second osc with the same setup. Something like...hold osc1 button down and press osc2 perhaps?
Ta,
Eric
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Royalston on February 06, 2016, 04:33:16 AM
I think things that are missing are additions to the sequencer.

Mainly: More than 1 Note sequencer. I bought this synth thinking there would be at least 8 of them (especially when sold as a synth to control modular synths Via CV) . Very surprised to only find 1! There seems space in the interface for it too.

More: Different clock divider settings per sequencer.
Arp & sequencer at the same time/ record arp to seq.
FM enhancements.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on February 06, 2016, 04:51:36 AM
You can use any of the sequencer lanes to sequence "notes", what exactly are you missing?
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Royalston on February 06, 2016, 02:36:28 PM
Maybe I haven't found how to do it yet - That's great news if you can! I understand you can sequence notes on more tracks than the first, but can you see note names etc like the first 'note' track? That is a nice, clear way of displaying the info. (of course, maybe I just haven't found this yet)

I think another nice addition, which I haven't seen here, would be a scale quantise of the note track(s), after the sequence transpose stage. Like the Elektron A4  and a several eurorack sequencers it would be great to move sequences around the keyboard yet keep them 'in-scale'. Very useful for composing.

I'm coming from a modular environment where these features (usually limited to 1 sequencer at a time) are fairly common and are easy to do. I think they would enhance the PRO2, which is sold on the power of its sequencers. I just updated to the latest beta so there are probably several features I'm yet to discover compared to OS1.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on February 06, 2016, 09:58:01 PM
If you set the destination of a sequencer track to a midi output then you get the "Note" type view with note name and velocity. You can enter notes with velocity by holding down a step button and using the keyboard.

If you are using a CV output then you get the "Bar" type interface, you can still enter notes using the keyboard.

There is no quantise to scale but that would be a neat addition.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Royalston on February 07, 2016, 09:17:06 PM
If you set the destination of a sequencer track to a midi output then you get the "Note" type view with note name and velocity. You can enter notes with velocity by holding down a step button and using the keyboard.

If you are using a CV output then you get the "Bar" type interface, you can still enter notes using the keyboard.

There is no quantise to scale but that would be a neat addition.

How do I set midi out as a destination on a sequencer track? (Its not in the manual as far as I can see) Does this have to be done in the Mod Matrix or is there a shortcut?

Also - is there a way to trigger the various envelopes via a modulation "trigger"?. This could effectively give the pro 2 a cool way of controlling the volume of it's various voices amongst other things. A 'trigger' option - is essentially like running out a CV and back in but I don't think Envelope trigger is a destination.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Royalston on February 07, 2016, 10:02:38 PM
Bob the dog - found the midi output via google search. It was quite well hidden!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: goodweather on February 14, 2016, 10:15:56 AM
If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: sofine on February 14, 2016, 10:41:49 AM
If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...

I think "mute tracks" has been requested as a feature already, and I think this is the same / could achieve the same as what you are suggesting?
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: goodweather on February 14, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...

I think "mute tracks" has been requested as a feature already, and I think this is the same / could achieve the same as what you are suggesting?

Well, I understood that only Track 1 can contain notes. Can other tracks also contain notes (to be honest I didn't try this yet)?
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: sofine on February 14, 2016, 11:38:16 AM
If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...

I think "mute tracks" has been requested as a feature already, and I think this is the same / could achieve the same as what you are suggesting?

Well, I understood that only Track 1 can contain notes. Can other tracks also contain notes (to be honest I didn't try this yet)?

Yes! However, those notes must go to midi (or CV) out, as track 1 is reserved for Pro 2 notes. Hopefully if DSI introduce sequencing for all 4 oscs, then this may change!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: hecka on February 27, 2016, 06:24:56 PM
It would be great if, while in sequencer mode, you could hold the Tap Tempo button and turn the BPM knob to rotate the notes through the sequencer on the current track. Only rotating the steps that are before the rest. B)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Lukasz on May 23, 2016, 10:11:44 AM
Hi. I have pro2 6 months and i LOVE it.
Real swing would be welcome here. Akai mpc style. If you could then modulate swing amount whith lets say lfo the sequencer would sound more like a real musician playing when you need that.
Ofcourse the idea of paraphonic sequencer and linear FM are in my top 3 to.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Beatmaster on July 18, 2016, 12:47:17 AM
I would really love to see the ability to speed/frequency of synced LFOs as a mod destination.
If you have the LFO frequency as the destination it only works if the LFO is not synced. As soon as the speed of the LFO is synced to the clock and you can enter 1/8  1/4 .... there is no way to controll the LFO anymore.

-> Synced LFO Speed as mod destination

This was one of the first things i wanted to do when i bought the PRO-2 as i did it with software synth alot. You can come up with very cool rythmic patterns.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Oehi on July 26, 2016, 01:00:41 PM
Even if the sequencer is very flexible and exciting, I would like to some extensions
- ratchet parameter to repeat a step up to 8 times within the same step length or
- have a track delay parameter to have this effect on different tracks
- more track modes like random; 1-2-3 - 2-3-4 - 3-4-5..; 1-2-1-2 - 2-3-2-3 - 3-4-3-4...; or even programmable patterns
- clock divider for each track (e.g. track 2 runs at half speed of track 1)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Oehi on July 30, 2016, 02:10:35 PM
... and a highly appreciated wish would be to rotate a track step wise...
Sometimes after creating a sequence, you wish to have the "1" of the sequence instead of step 1 at step 5. To make step 5 become step you rotate the track 4 times one step. That is what I wish
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: GloriousFrenchie on August 14, 2016, 03:58:06 PM
Total co-sign on that Feature Request List  :D
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: goodweather on September 19, 2016, 12:36:18 AM
To continue on the sequencer requests (sorry if this has already been asked earlier): while having the sequencer running (but also when stopped), ability to set the 1st step and the last step of the sequence in a direct and easy way (as on new Roland System 8 ).
Maybe build an extra screen for the sequencer and assign Soft key 1 (1-16) and Soft key 2 (17-32) for Start (in combination with one of the Step 1-16 buttons) and Soft key 3 (1-16) and Soft key 4 (17-32) for End (also in combination with one of the Step 1-16 buttons). Soft key 2 and 4 being disabled if the sequence is only 16 steps long.

This easy feature can provide a lot of variety in the play with only one sequence!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: ihearanewworld on October 18, 2016, 12:55:55 PM
I believe I saw this somewhere on the old board, but not on here. Excuse me if someone else has already mentioned this.

More LOCAL On/Off Options:
Right now, setting LOCAL to OFF, removes the keyboard from the internal synth, as well as removing all other controls to the internal synth. I can see where this would be helpful if using the Pro 2 as a controller with all the knobs mapped to an additional synth, but I'm not sure how many people are using it in this way. I have been using the Pro 2 live for almost two years now, but have never been able to use it as my lone keyboard, and this is due to the behavior of the LOCAL OFF.

Additional options for LOCAL settings:
1. As it currently behaves (all controls/keyboard only send MIDI information)
2. Keyboard only sends MIDI, all other controls only affect local settings
...These two seem most useful, but another other option or two would be helpful
3. Keyboard only sends MIDI, and modifiers like pitch bend, mod wheel and aftertouch also send MIDI, all other controls only affect local.

Some older synths have these options, and more.

Finally, if there were a shortcut to turn Local on/off, that would be a major help. Something like pressing a combination of buttons (like GLIDE and OCTAVE UP for example). If there were multiple LOCAL OFF options, pressing this combination of buttons would set the LOCAL option to whatever the user has it set in GLOBAL. If that were not possible, making LOCAL the first option under Global settings would also be preferable to its current location.

<EDIT TO ADD:>
GLOBAL is the only menu item that does not switch to another menu when another button is pressed, or a knob is turned. It would be helpful if it behaved like the rest of the hardware.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: kisielk on October 23, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
Top of my list for new features would be the ability to have different clock dividers for each sequencer track. Another useful feature would be the ability to trigger envelopes individually from the sequencer. That would certainly make Env 4 and Env 5 a lot more useful in a lot of cases.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: chrismitch on October 24, 2016, 05:45:58 PM
The only change I want out of the Pro 2 now is the ability for unison/paraphony performance splits.  As in, I hit one key and get all 4 oscillators in unison, I hit a second key and I split the two oscillators between each key, and so on until 4 keys have been hit.



Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: phisynth on October 25, 2016, 02:39:38 AM
So after a couple weeks with the PRO 2, I love it, but here are some features i'd like to see on it as well :

LFO's and OSC :
- more (and more exotic) LFO waves
- OSC waveform as a modulation destination
- linear FM for the OSC's

SEQUENCER :
- different time signature per sequencer track
- other modes for the sequencer (random, reverse, pendulum,…) - ideally per track also

ENVELOPE :
- the ability to have free running / cycling auxiliary envelopes (not (re-)triggered by the keys or the sequencer)
- the ability to sync free running envelopes to the main tempo like the LFO's

MODULATION :
- main clock as a modulation destination
- the five env sustain as a modulation target
- env delay as a modulation target
- clock as an output (without being forced to use a synced LFO to do that)
- sequencer start / stop as an modulation target
- sequencer mode as a modulation target (if more modes)
- track seq clock divide as a modulation target (if different time signature per track)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Lukasz on November 11, 2016, 08:43:11 AM
Is this new os is ever going to happen its 2 years if i remember right? from the last one?
Please answer.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Robot Heart on November 11, 2016, 02:30:04 PM
Yep. We're working on it. We've already made a number of bug fixes, though the latest OS is still in the alpha stage so we can't post anything quite yet. We're still finishing up the Tempest OS so we probably won't be able to start on a beta Pro 2 OS until after that. We're hoping to wrap that up in the next few weeks here.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: phisynth on November 12, 2016, 11:38:37 AM
Great news ! Can you reveal if there will be any new feature or is it bug correction only ?
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Lukasz on November 13, 2016, 06:32:08 AM
Wow super!!! Thank you for so fast answer :) i understand you got alot of work whith tempest becolse of this user list thing. Its good to hear you didnt forgot about us.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Robot Heart on November 14, 2016, 04:05:58 PM
Some new features are likely, but we don't know which ones or how many at this point. We'll know more as it gets closer.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: phisynth on November 19, 2016, 11:13:06 AM
Oscillators should be able to modulate others OSC (AM / FM) without being present in the mix themselves (level @0) IMHO

It's really strange / limiting you cannot have a sound with only 1 FM'ed OSC
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on November 19, 2016, 01:31:58 PM
Of course you can!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: phisynth on November 19, 2016, 03:18:32 PM
Of course you can!

how ? here modulation is inactive when the modulating OSC is silent - perhaps working when using the modulation matrix ?
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on November 19, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
Init to a basic patch.

Select Osc 1->OSC Mods

And change FM Amt or AM Amt.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: phisynth on November 20, 2016, 10:21:50 AM
Init to a basic patch.

Select Osc 1->OSC Mods

And change FM Amt or AM Amt.

edit : thanks for the reply, my own stupidity in fact : waveform was off for OSC 3 & 4, contrary to what I thought initially
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BobTheDog on November 20, 2016, 10:24:17 PM
No problem, glad you got it working :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: hybridanimal on November 24, 2016, 05:33:32 PM
Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6?   ;D
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Paul Dither on November 25, 2016, 12:53:29 AM
Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6?   ;D

There was already an according option showing up in the global menu in one of the past updates, but without the fully implemented functionality yet, so I would assume that this is already on the safe side.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: nielsd on November 25, 2016, 11:47:13 AM
No shure how far this is easy or possible to implement within the current embedded subsystem:

 - (very) small display of frequencies where they apply (instead of the 0-128) - i.e. OSC. LFO, Filter Center?
 - same for times in the Delay
 - same for numbers of values on sequencer steps
 - same for (+/-) percent (where makes sense and is enough space to show)

(i know that this makes just partly sense - especially where further modulation takes place - but could be very helpful to many of us)

These could be shown in even very small charsets - it would be very helpful when tweaking sounds.

These things are just to "dream":
 - "dynamic" Env and/or filter graphics (assume this is to hard for the CPU/MC, but "who knows"...ß) - showing the real current curve as modulated / "played"

- simple Oscillograph (yeah, i know this could be overkill for the device, but hey, would be cool.)

many thanks for your time and best regards,

Niels.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: hybridanimal on November 25, 2016, 02:22:11 PM
Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6?   ;D

There was already an according option showing up in the global menu in one of the past updates, but without the fully implemented functionality yet, so I would assume that this is already on the safe side.

Hadn't seen that, good to know, thanks Paul!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Zardonic on December 01, 2016, 09:59:13 PM
Are you guys planning a MIDI note send from the Sequencer the same way the Arpeggiator behaves?

I know you can do that by changing the destination of the sequencer track to MIDI, and there is also the Note to CV workaround in the MOD section, but it would be so much better if the sequencer could just send notes via MIDI by default, specially when we want to use the sequencer together with any DAW, plugins and hardware digital synthesizers that do not have CV inputs.

Thanks in advance! ;D
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: jdt9517 on December 19, 2016, 09:37:57 PM
The Pro-2 an excellent controller for the P-12M.  One suggestion as DSI updates the Pro-2 firmware, please align as many of the NRPN's as you can to the P-12M.  That way the Pro-2 will be able to control from the board more of the P-12M's functions.  I think the first 100 or so are already aligned.  It might be a PITA to do, but I would think it would add a selling point to have the Pro-2 and the P-12 module so integrated. 
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: DavidDever on December 20, 2016, 07:30:03 AM
The Pro-2 an excellent controller for the P-12M.  One suggestion as DSI updates the Pro-2 firmware, please align as many of the NRPN's as you can to the P-12M.  That way the Pro-2 will be able to control from the board more of the P-12M's functions.  I think the first 100 or so are already aligned.  It might be a PITA to do, but I would think it would add a selling point to have the Pro-2 and the P-12 module so integrated.

Here here!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: AmokCop-Rob on January 31, 2017, 04:37:37 AM
Indicate whether the current patch is paraphonic.

I imagine a little "P" on the display where the current patch-name is shown.

This would help my friend who sometimes plays my Pro2 but keeps trying chords even on monophonic patches.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: AmokCop-Rob on February 01, 2017, 09:53:44 AM
I'm so hot for the Pro2 right now. If it receives linear FM update I might blow up in flames  ;D
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Coorec on February 02, 2017, 05:12:20 AM
Another vote for linear FM.

Is there any new informatin when an update might be available and what is in it? I am sure DSI will inform, but to make educated choices on gear it would be nice to know whats in the pipeline, whenver it might come.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: NLB on February 07, 2017, 07:36:22 AM
+1 for linear FM

I also support:
- Paraphonic sequencing (i.e. more than 1 note track for internal synth)
- Clock divider per track (how cool would that be!)
- Arpeggiator quantize
- Sequencer swing (per note/MIDI track would be awesome)
- Same rates for delay and LFOs
- The ability to enter rests in real time
- The ability to use arp and sequencer at the same time (arpeggiated sequences, or sequenced arpeggios)


Cheers :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Robot Heart on February 07, 2017, 05:27:49 PM
We're actively working on an OS update. We have a new alpha OS this week, but we are working on a few other things as well so it might be another couple weeks before we get a beta version stable enough for the forum.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: AmokCop-Rob on February 08, 2017, 10:23:48 AM
As I see the Pro2 like a swiss army knife kind of synth, I believe the addition of a Poly Sequencer like on the OB-6 would be a super addition.

Also, I wonder if anybody else wishes to have an indication whether or not the current patch is paraphonic. I imagine a little "p" showing up on the display (there is plenty of space). Would make things easier when browsing I believe.

Looking forward to hear what's in the update :) keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: wbelote on February 16, 2017, 03:20:52 PM
Many great feature requests.  I like them all!  Being able to quickly (one button) activate LOCAL ON/OFF would be great for live performance.   

I would also love to see the alternate tuning capabilities of the P12 incorporated in the Pro 2.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: pablomateo on February 19, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
1. Ability to enter rests (ala prophet 6) in the sequencer with some button. Recording and then muting steps as an option is cool but counterproductive and unmusical for me now, the moment is everything.

2. "Categories" for sounds..pads, basses, sequences, etc especially if we are not getting a soft librarian.

would be great !!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: DiesIraeDisArray on March 10, 2017, 11:42:37 PM
Loving the Pro 2. But, some suggestions for improvement are as follows.

Modulation:
  • Oscillator Waveform as a Modulation Destination.
Filter routing:
  • Individual control over which oscillator routes to which filter.

Delay settings:
  • "Send" parameter together with "Amount" and "Feedback" to be able to emphasis certain steps and notes in a sequence.

Oscillator feature:
  • Oscillator syncing with noise. This can produce some really nice timbres.

Updated Jan 3rd 2016 @ 11:55 CET.

How Much of the above mentioned has Linear FM potential?

"Oscillator syncing with noise. This can produce some really nice timbres"
I believe I can do that with my Korg R3, I have some great ones using Oscillator syncing w/ Noise..

That's all the Q's for today
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: mtruman on March 15, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
Great to hear that DSI is working on a new OS update.

I know this issue is mentioned in the Pro-2 Main OS 1.2.0.2 thread but I would really like to have the new OS update be able to be sequenced using an Elektron Octatrack with a MIDI cable. I am using the Pro-2 Main OS 1.1.0 because it can be sequenced using the Octatrack.

I hope this can be considered an additional feature request. :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: 24dbfilter on March 16, 2017, 11:00:35 AM

Also, I wonder if anybody else wishes to have an indication whether or not the current patch is paraphonic. I imagine a little "p" showing up on the display (there is plenty of space). Would make things easier when browsing I believe.

Looking forward to hear what's in the update :) keep up the good work!

Since you have the ability to name all your programs, perhaps you could add a lower case "p" to the end of the title to indicate that it's paraphonic.  Simplest way I would think.  Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Richjk7 on March 18, 2017, 12:36:53 PM
Tempo sync'd envelopes with clock divisions / frequency control for the envelope speed.  Also the speed control availible as a modulation destination.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Fubard on March 29, 2017, 03:23:03 PM
Hi,

   I'm actually a little surprised nobodys mentioned decoupling the sequencer memory from the synth patch memory. Ive owned this thing for over a year now & havent really taken the sequencer all too seriously because I cant sit here n let the same loop run through the entire song & it feels wasteful to use entire patches on just sequencing. If they were decoupled, you could have more usable sound banks if youre sacrificing em for sequencing AMD more usable sequences if you have sounds that arent sequenced internally.

 I'm pretty sure Dave worked on the yamaha An1x which had a similar sequencer w the main diference being that you could have one transposable sequence like the Pro2 is now OR have the keys SELECT SEQUENCES! Even better; have the keyboard split w lower half selecting sequences & upper to transpose. I friggin loved that feature. This boosts use for lead/live playability to the next level IMO

I'm not a programmer but since its already running sequences, I feel like it wouldnt take up more processing power. Maybe a lil more memory. IDK

Just an idea.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BongMystic on March 31, 2017, 02:57:58 AM
Hi there, my first post having got my Pro2 yesterday - some brilliant suggestions here.
I'd like to add a short list for consideration along with the rest:
* would love to see the name of the patch I'm about to overwrite
* the arpeggiator is key-synced - I'd love it if this was merely an option and you could also choose the classic beat-synced method where timing can't be screwed by (my) sloppy playing.
* fab sequencer - how cool would it be if you didn't have to sequence notes at all but could use it for parameter sequencing?
* would be groovy if you could turn off reception of program changes. I turned off transmission thinking it might handle reception too but no. On a related topic, how do I specify the MIDI channel of the second MIDI output (having reassigned Thru to Out - nice feature!)? If not possible, could it be? ;)
* finally, instead of 4 delays of 1 second, it'd be lovely if the time could be allocated dynamically - 4 secs divided any way you want.

Thanks for listening, now back to the joy of experimentation!

Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: 101303606 on July 13, 2017, 09:34:05 AM
Linear FM would be amazing. +1
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: particlesintowaves on July 13, 2017, 03:32:57 PM
* would love to see the name of the patch I'm about to overwrite
* fab sequencer - how cool would it be if you didn't have to sequence notes at all but could use it for parameter sequencing?

You can use compare in the save menu to not only see the patch, but demo it, and cycle through all user programs.

As far as your sequencing question goes, you could make a single note 16 steps long by tying steps 1 to 16 together, then using the keyboard as the sequence input. This will give you 16 steps of modulation that activate with each new key press, but it will only play one long held note. You will have to adjust your envelopes accordingly, and sequencer track slew will be really handy in this situation (for your modulation tracks). I think that will accomplish what you're trying to do
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: particlesintowaves on July 13, 2017, 03:36:10 PM
I'm new so I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I'd really like the ability to change the gate length of notes in the sequencer and arp. Whether this is a global sequencer amount, or a per step feature, it would be very handy. Right now it sounds that the gate length is fixed at around 75%. If you run a sequence with your amp EG release zeroed, there's a small gap of silence between the notes.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: pbzoot on August 01, 2017, 04:30:02 PM
* the arpeggiator is key-synced

+1
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: jgruen on August 08, 2017, 05:48:06 PM
Is it possible to include "tempo" as a modulation destination on the Pro-02?  I'd like to try modulating the sequencer or arp tempo with an LFO, etc.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Benzebub on August 22, 2017, 01:21:11 PM
Linear FM would be amazing. +1

Bumping this.  :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: hybridanimal on August 28, 2017, 01:47:33 PM
>Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6?   ;D
>There was already an according option showing up in the global menu in one of the past updates, but without the fully >implemented functionality yet, so I would assume that this is already on the safe side.

I love my Pro2 on many levels, but I have to say I was quite disappointed the tuning support was not added in the latest OS update.  Come on DSI, you have this in so many other instruments, you've got the code, put it in!   ;)




Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: macs4music on August 29, 2017, 12:35:50 PM
Linear FM would be my number one thing, followed by the knobs having more of an exponential response.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: xarnyz on August 30, 2017, 06:37:25 PM
Modulation inputs: Note #2, #3 and #4

I want to play a poly modular from the keyboard
It'll still be 1 trig which is fine.

Wave shape output would be nice, but it looks like it probably can't switch seamlessly.
With the new OS fixing a seq issue, this synth is very close to being able to do an odd thing perfectly:
Set bpm to the fastest sequence possible, set it to run once, on key.
Make the sequencer shape the attack of your sound. Like they do with the sid chips to make drums.
[square-tri-noiseeeeeeeefalloff]
Each sequencer step chooses a different waveform, and you get an old videogame drum.
You can't modulate waveshape, so instead you just switch oscs with different waveshapes on and off

Sadly, when the super fast sequence ends it cuts off your note. and you don't want it to repeat! Don't remember if a long release helped.

Thanks guys!







Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: OttoRepeat on September 20, 2017, 04:48:17 AM
CV Input to Midi Out.
(or any internal modulation optionally also transmitted to Midi Out on its corresponding CC number but I guess this option would mean a massive amount of midi data sent to the computer...)
e.g: if in the mod matrix, the CV Input 1 has for destination the F1 freq, the corresponding CC parameter (95) would be transmitted via USB or Midi cable.

Just the CV to midi would be really useful, there are many Midi to CV solutions in the modular world but not so many CV to Midi.




Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: jobinho on October 28, 2017, 03:51:15 PM
Linear FM would be amazing. +1

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasssssseeeee DSI ! 8)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Soundsniper on October 31, 2017, 10:52:49 AM
My additional feature requests in order of importance would be the ability to import wavetables (or having more waveforms added ) , Linear FM , a shortcut to change Octaves for example if I wanted an oscillator to be at C3 or C4 pressing Up/Down and Pitch at the same time would change octaves making it less tidious than scrolling through the entire thing and numbers at the bottom of the sequencer to make the entire thing even faster. Another cool feature would be to have the other sequencer tracks greyed out behind the current sequencer track so we can compare things
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: BongMystic on October 31, 2017, 03:38:10 PM
My additional feature requests in order of importance would be the ability to import wavetables (or having more waveforms added ) , Linear FM , a shortcut to change Octaves for example if I wanted an oscillator to be at C3 or C4 pressing Up/Down and Pitch at the same time would change octaves making it less tidious than scrolling through the entire thing and numbers at the bottom of the sequencer to make the entire thing even faster. Another cool feature would be to have the other sequencer tracks greyed out behind the current sequencer track so we can compare things

All darn good suggestions - but I'm not sure any further updates can be expected.
I'd dearly love to see the MIDI clock bug fixed at the very least. It's a drag having to disconnect incoming clock when programming patches (if you don't, the filter 2 env depth menu randomly pops up, which plays havoc when tweaking the mod matrix etc.).
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: audax on November 04, 2017, 10:49:19 PM
Not exactly a feature request, but .... a Desktop Module would be amazing. Would totally get one as an accompaniment to the full keyboard and as an away-mission craft. No way I'd gig with the full board, but a module would get tons of use as a travell rig - bonus would be a streamlined patch-dump method, where the main board could act as the sound-design station and the module would act as the "expander" - Bring the 8-voice duo-phonic madness!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: blewis on November 07, 2017, 05:42:58 AM
They don’t appear to be interested in a Pro-2 desktop. People have asked since the beginning.

And for all the talk of “the Pro-2 is the new Evolver”, the lack of a desktop, a poly version, and poly chain begs to differ.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Paul Dither on November 07, 2017, 06:43:17 AM
A desktop module would have happened in between the release of the keyboard version and the Prophet-6. That would have been the pattern according to the typical release policy. I don't think DSI will revisit the Pro 2 in the shape and form of a module roughly three and a half years after its announcement.

A desktop module also would have had to be larger than the Prophet 12 module. Even if the latter was used as a blueprint, you'd still have to squeeze in the whole sequencer section because without it, a Pro 2 would lose its appeal. So maybe DSI just didn't find a good solution for a desktop module that would maintain the tactile advantages of the keyboard version's control panel.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: dslsynth on November 07, 2017, 08:53:26 AM
Personally, I would be thrilled if DSI finally produced a Pro 2 Module, but I'm not expecting it to happen.

Personally I think the Pro 2 voice architecture is very good but it could use a few updates. Also, maybe a Pro 2 module would be too expensive? So I would rather like to see a new voice be build with using the features developed for Pro 2 but with different oscillators. That would be quite a voice and it could possibly be more cost efficient (price/voice count ratio) than a Pro 2 module build using the same voice card as in Pro 2.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: dslsynth on November 07, 2017, 09:08:44 AM
So maybe DSI just didn't find a good solution for a desktop module that would maintain the tactile advantages of the keyboard version's control panel.

One factor could be the time between the release of Pro 2 (summer 2014) and the release of Prophet-6 (NAMM 2015). So maybe there wasn't time for making a Pro 2 module in their schedule?

Product release times are taken from wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Smith_Instruments#Products).
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Paul Dither on November 07, 2017, 09:27:55 AM
One factor could be the time between the release of Pro 2 (summer 2014) and the release of Prophet-6 (NAMM 2015). So maybe there wasn't time for making a Pro 2 module in their schedule?

Yeah, that too. In Push Turn Move Dave states that the Prophet 12 module almost didn't happen because for a while the only way they could imagine doing it was to just chop off the keys which would have ended up much too large and too expensive. And then they had the idea that eventually led to the actual Prophet 12 module design, which provides knobs for the most regularly used parameters and organizes easy access to the menu via dedicated buttons for each section.

You couldn't have thrown out more controls for a Pro 2 module that also would need the complete sequencer section on top of that. Otherwise, things would have been rather cumbersome to program. So in conclusion, a Pro 2 module would have become more exepensive than a Prophet 12 module due to more parts alone.

Attached you'll find what you would have to squeeze in one box.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: blewis on November 07, 2017, 09:16:31 PM

A desktop module also would have had to be larger than the Prophet 12 module.

2 years ago I did a scaled mock-up using the P-12 and Pro-2 interfaces. No one cared. Photoshop skills certainly didn’t help. :-)

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0XGWZuqDGnMNyT;F330EF6C-09A4-420D-9FDD-E8C96B993265
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: audax on November 07, 2017, 11:59:30 PM
Nice mock ups pics! The thing that got me going on about the concept (which I had seen spoken of in older posts and discussion on why a module may or may not be favored as a production effort by DSI) - was when I popped the hood on the synth and observed that the control panel is conveniently separated into two sections. The entire zone to from the left side of the display to the right edge of the control surface is one PCB, everything on the left of that line is another, they're connected with a ribbon cable. This is the largest single sub-assembly in the unit, (besides the keybed) at about 16" wide. The power supply module is actually pretty large, possible a desktop module could use a smaller type? The voice board with all the jacks is much smaller than the knobs board, and neither of those are as wide as the Rev2 Desktop at 21.6" (that probably includes the end cheeks).

So it almost looks like with very little re-design a desktop box could be achieved by basically arranging existing components and designing the enclosure. Likely there would need to be some mode switching to get at the parameters that would not have dedicated knobs - but that seems like a manageable issue.

All that said - would bet that the choice not to pursue it thusfar likely comes down to a market evaluation - even with minimal dev effort necessary it would constitute another inventory item and would pull resources from other angles to support the inevitable peculiarities of modifying the OS.

I do wonder if it's generally assumed, (and if so would challenge the idea), that a desktop module inherently needs to considerably cheaper than a full keyboard. (Guessing that historically is what is assumed) - but there are certainly use cases for a smaller unit that isn't simply a stripped down version of the full instrument, rather some kind of extension to it.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Root on February 04, 2018, 06:00:45 AM
+1 linear FM ..this would be my first choice for another update :)
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Benzebub on February 04, 2018, 07:32:12 AM
+1 linear FM ..this would be my first choice for another update :)

Would love it as well!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: obscure wave music on February 06, 2018, 02:21:03 PM
Please Dave, random mode for the sequencer, please !!!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: MDMA on February 13, 2018, 12:30:53 AM
Linear FM!!!  It’s beel too long.....please make this happen!!!!
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Ted on February 13, 2018, 12:34:12 AM
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Falcore on February 14, 2018, 10:41:39 AM
+1 for linear FM

I'd like to add a few simple suggestions for the next update that would be really easy to implement.

1) A switch to adjust the envelope attack slopes from linear to concave or convex.

2) Single shot mode for the LFOs, essentially transforming them into simple envelopes

3) More/Better sounding wavetables. I don't use the wavetables much. A lot of them sound kinda dated and/or uninteresting. Just my opinion, but Massive and Zebra 2 have very interesting and useful wavetables, and the Pro 2 would really benefit from adopting these types of waveforms.

Thanks for listening,

M.
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Soundsniper on February 14, 2018, 12:35:35 PM
I think some better sounding wavetables should be added/or we should have the ability to import some of our own wavetables. I agree with the reply above saying the wavetables are dull. They just don't sound nearly as good as some other wavetables do. They sound thin, harsh and eerily similar one to another

The ability to modulate the shape ( switch between waveforms ) and not in a morphy kind of way ( which can already be done using the wavetables ) but in more abrupt fashion to create glitchy sequences ( by automating through the shapes quickly ).

Linear fm would be cool too but I really think the addition of better sounding wavetables would make much more difference

Finally if we could modulate the oscillator shape in a more subtle way to get more analog-ish sounds that would be great. I tried doing this by modulating the oscillator slope with a slow lfo and a random modulation source and also doing a bunch of this stuff do the oscillator shape ( the saw wave in this instance) with the goal of achieving a slightly different phase/waveform for each time a note is pressed and make it more unstable . However i think the saw shape filters some stuff out and makes it too drastic
Title: Re: Additional Feature Request List
Post by: Ted on February 14, 2018, 04:03:20 PM
I think some better sounding wavetables should be added/or we should have the ability to import some of our own wavetables. I agree with the reply above saying the wavetables are dull. They just don't sound nearly as good as some other wavetables do. They sound thin, harsh and eerily similar one to another

The ability to modulate the shape ( switch between waveforms ) and not in a morphy kind of way ( which can already be done using the wavetables ) but in more abrupt fashion to create glitchy sequences ( by automating through the shapes quickly ).

Finally if we could modulate the oscillator shape in a more subtle way to get more analog-ish sounds that would be great. I tried doing this by modulating the oscillator slope with a slow lfo and a random modulation source and also doing a bunch of this stuff do the oscillator shape ( the saw wave in this instance) with the goal of achieving a slightly different phase/waveform for each time a note is pressed and make it more unstable . However i think the saw shape filters some stuff out and makes it too drastic

Agree..